Gnome 2.0 means MORE trolling

For it was written by Matt:

Or you can have icons attached to a clip on each workspace, or you can dock icons so they are availale through all the workspaces, or you can put them in your appliactions menu.

You make an excellent point.

Yes, I agree

Let me tell you the Swiss watch making industry is alive and well. Apart from Swatch they cater for the wealthy market. Rolex, Omega, Tag Heuer, ... are all doing well. There are so many Swiss watch making companies. Probably the sale of cuckoo clocks isn't what it was but other than that things are fine.

I must say I was abit disappointed at that part of Switzerland. I mean, if you go there, you should get a cuckoo clock with you back home, right? My disappointment was due to the fact that if you didn't want something that you could have built yourself using Lego(tm) and an acetylene torch, you'd have to fork up enough cash to buy yourself a whole truckload of swiss cheese.

Then again, I think I was in Zurich when I was looking for one, and if that's not the most expensive place in .eu, I dunno what is.

There is a very important factor that latin1 people don't take into account when comparing GNOME to KDE or Windows, but it is of ultimate importance to the rest of the world:

These are not all the categories. Support for non-latin languages (esp. in printing) is where GNOME and Mozilla are still 7 years behind Windows (which had international keyboard, fonts and WYSIWYG printing support since the 95 version), and it is a quite important category for people that use the Cyrillic, Hebrew, Chinese or Greek alphabet, don't you think?

However, KDE since v.2.0 has the *best* support for such things, *much* better than Windows in fact. It is not surprising the the majority of Greek linux users use KDE and Konqueror instead of GNOME and Mozilla. I am not saying that non-latin1 support hasn't improved in GNOME 2.0 (and GTK applications, generally speaking), but, heck, you still have to tweak *lots* of things to make it work when KDE/Qt apps print Greek out of the

I beg to differ. I've been using a triple-language Gnome desktop for a year - Czech, English, and Japanese. Granted, no greek or cyrillic characters, but I have 3 X sessions running, one in each language.

Some of the menu translations are not complete, but the fonts are there.

In fact, I set my parents up with linux (red hat 7.3 + gnome 1.4) for bilingual support, because you can't get simultaneous multi-lingual support in Windows. (Try switching your desktop from English to Japanese in any version of Windows. You can't.)

I've never tried KDE's multi-lingual support, nor have I tried greek support. I know that RH 7.0 was badly broken for some multi-lingual support - glibc had tons of misspellings and other problems. But 7.3 shines.

In any case, isn't it great to have choice? If KDE has better greek support, and Gnome has better Czech support, then who's the loser here? Not you or me, since we can get our work done 'out of the box'.

It was the Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:22:03 -0500...

I direct your attention to the /sbin/init.d directory of your system. Have you ever noticed the scandalous amount of applications your kernel 'loads with it' via init(8) when it goes up? No wonder a Linux system takes ages to initialise.

It was the Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:29:10 GMT...

Switzerland is not really the right place to look for cuckoo clocks. Try the Black Forest. But there, too, most of the clocks they sell are crap-looking plastic thingies with Taiwanese quartz innards.

A real cuckoo clock is weight-driven, all-mechanical, all-wood (yes, wooden sprockets), and the cuckoo is a cutesy little handmade feathery creature, not some pressure-formed abomination.

There is no /sbin/init.d. I think you are reffering to /etc/init.d.

There is no init(8). You just read the man page for init on the internet.

If you think all of those are called on boot, then why is 'shutdown.sh' and 'reboot.sh' in there on my system? They are scripts, to start and stop services. They can be called from many places.

I suggest you read the man page again, or perhaps use a Linux system and learn a little about it.

As in Schwartzwald(sp?), then? That's one of my favourite types of cake, btw.

People (that is, tourists) don't want quality, I suppose. Those of us who both want a memento /and/ something that works will just have to cash up or forget about it.

Exactly. Then again, I grew up with those things (except for the cuckoo part, and I doubt any of them have ever had wooden sprockets) since my father fixes (still do, he's 75 this year) 'real' clocks for a hobby, so I may be slightly biased about it..